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Abandoning Ethereum | Market Monday LITE

It was a crazy weekend as Ethereum pushed back against the traders... but who won?

David Hoffman
Nov 22, 2021
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Dear Bankless Nation,

This weekend, there was a lot of drama on crypto-Twitter.

For those that aren’t familiar, Twitter plays a huge role in this industry. Crypto-Twitter, or ‘CT’, is a fun, chaotic place where lots of different conversations are all happening all at once.

It’s how alpha is shared, where communities converse with other communities, and occasionally, where fights happen.

This weekend was one of those weekends. 🥊

“ Volcano Cities…we’re not getting involved. Take this pic though” -Bitcoiners

What are we fighting about?

These crypto-twitter ‘fights’ centered around a few themes, but to put it reductively, it felt like Ethereum vs the VC traders.

The ‘Ethereum Abandoners’ said…

  • Ethereum, as an ecosystem, doesn’t care about people that can’t afford gas fees.

  • Ethereum culture is gatekeeping the industry by claiming that other competing chains are ‘illegitimate’, even while they are allowing users to be crypto natives at reasonable fees.

  • The Ethereum community has ‘lost the plot’ as it comes to stewarding this industry, and is now focused on pumping ETH.

The Ethereum advocates said…

  • Trading firms (like 3 Arrows Capital) masquerade as Venture Capital firms, but are blatantly promoting their ETH killer positions in order to ‘pump their bags.’

  • Stop using Ethereum’s high fees as an excuse to invest in far more centralized ‘Ethereum killers’ that sacrifice decentralization for scale.

  • Stop falsely branding the Ethereum community as ‘people who got rich, lazy, and stopped caring about inclusion’—we’re building non-stop over here.

Setting the Stage

For a number of months now, Three Arrows Capital (3AC) has been aggressively promoting the Avalanche blockchain. We had them on the show back in May to discuss the major ETH run that had just happened.

Twitter avatar for @BanklessHQ
Bankless 🏴 @BanklessHQ
Ethereum wins on: 1. On chain activity 2. Development and now, according to @zhusu, 3. Culture
1:41 AM ∙ Nov 21, 2021
436Likes45Retweets

Kyle Davies and Su Zhu (together they run 3AC) have a reputation of making fantastic trades and generating a sufficiently large following of people who copy their moves.

3AC generally takes outsized bets into a specific category, genre, or specific asset based on the current narratives or macro-trends at the time. They also get very loud about their positions on Twitter.

Fill…then Shill.

These positions have rotated throughout many different assets. After their ETH trade in the first half of this year, it seemed they rotated into a Bitcoin position thinking it would regain dominance, and more recently they’ve been promoting Avalanche, likely on the heels of the massive Solana run-up.

This is simply what traders do! Traders gonna trade.

This is different than the culture of the Ethereum ecosystem. While much of crypto is filled with traders who trade the narratives that arise, a decently large part of the Ethereum community focuses on longer time horizons. These two perspectives are fundamentally at odds with each other, and I believe is really what divided the industry on crypto-twitter this weekend.

Ryan Selkis of Messari stated it well:

Twitter avatar for @twobitidiot
Ryan Selkis @twobitidiot
“People thinking 5 months out arguing with people thinking 5 years out. Story of most major debates on crypto twitter.”
1:24 PM ∙ Nov 20, 2021
1,179Likes142Retweets

I think people tolerate the narrative trading game because it’s an inevitable part of how the industry works. People trade. Some people trade a lot. Some people trade big. If there are profits to be made, someone’s going to take them. So while Ethereum builders may not like the constant rotation of narrative trading, they tolerate it.

But things change when you actually start attacking Ethereum in order to justify a position that is ultimately a ‘trade’ and not a ‘long-term belief’.

And that’s how crypto-twitter blew up this weekend.

Kain vs Su

It started when Kain Warwick of Synthetix tweeted this out on Friday:

Twitter avatar for @kaiynne
kain.eth @kaiynne
A lot of people I respected earlier in this cycle have sold out in pursuit of profit maximisation, chasing opportunistic gains at the expense of their reputation, remember this when they all coming flooding back into the Ethereum ecosystem once L2 scaling becomes inevitable.
5:38 AM ∙ Nov 20, 2021
1,702Likes128Retweets

While not specifically naming 3AC here, 3AC definitely stands out as more or less exactly who Kain is referring to.

Su Zhu responds to this tweet, claiming hypocrisy due to Kain selling a portion of his SNX tokens to purchase a ~$50m worth of real estate in Australia.

Kain responds:

Twitter avatar for @kaiynne
kain.eth @kaiynne
@zhusu The fact that you can’t see the distinction between hedging your exposure to crypto in an alternative asset, and turning into a shill of a competing L1 is bizarre. I know you are smarter than this so I’m assuming this is just an emotional response…
7:08 AM ∙ Nov 20, 2021
167Likes1Retweet

So we have the founder of a DeFi protocol with a net worth north of $500m, that sold some of his assets to purchase multiple properties, going up against a billionaire trader pumping his recent ETH killer bags who Kain is claiming has ‘sold out’ in pursuit of ‘profit maximalism’ and forgone morals in order to make more money.

You can see how things got pretty spicy this weekend 🌶

That was just Day 1.

Day 2 of Fighting

On Saturday afternoon Su Zhu tweets this.

Twitter avatar for @zhusu
Zhu Su 🔺 @zhusu
Yes I have abandoned Ethereum despite supporting it in the past. Yes Ethereum has abandoned its users despite supporting them in the past. The idea of sitting around jerking off watching the burn and concocting purity tests, while zero newcomers can afford the chain, is gross.
12:28 AM ∙ Nov 21, 2021
15,193Likes2,343Retweets

Abandoned Ethereum…strong words!

This is Su claiming that Ethereum has ‘lost the plot’ and is now a ‘whale-chain’ that is not able to service the average user, and therefore goes against what crypto stands for in the first place.

Twitter avatar for @zhusu
Zhu Su 🔺 @zhusu
Ethereum culture suffers massively from the Founders Dilemma. Everyone is already far too rich to remember what they originally set out to do. Perhaps a bear market is needed to remind them, or perhaps we must build elsewhere, but this is what it is--nothing new under the sun.
12:35 AM ∙ Nov 21, 2021
5,775Likes430Retweets

Here’s when I hopped into the conversation:

Twitter avatar for @TrustlessState
DavidHoffman.ETH Ξ🦇🔊💰🏴 @TrustlessState
@zhusu Abandoning decentralization is the biggest sin that you can commit in this space. It’s easier to fix fees than it is to fix centralization.
12:30 AM ∙ Nov 21, 2021
1,886Likes84Retweets

I got my fair share of flak for this tweet (💩 was being thrown left and right); the majority of critiques was that I was making the assumption that anything that’s not Ethereum is ‘not decentralized’, and co-opting the word ‘decentralization to mean ‘Ethereum’.

Also, people didn’t like the ‘sin’ word, but I actually chose that word extremely intentionally and will be elaborating on that point tonight on Up Only.

When Push Comes to Shove

The Ethereum community is known for its inclusiveness and openness. This culture came about as a reaction to the close-mindedness and fostering maximalism of Bitcoin culture that pushed Vitalik and many of the future-Ethereans out of Bitcoiner circles.

This openness and acceptance has been a very important part of Ethereum but is also a double-edged sword. Where Bitcoiners learned to make very firm, hardline stances, Ethereans learned to be more willing, accepting, and trusting of new ideas, new people, and new efforts.

This generalized acceptance has allowed for a lot of new communities to be formed inside of the greater Ethereum ecosystem, but it also lets wolves wear sheep’s clothing.

During 2018-2020, Ethereum did not have a spine. During this time, it was actually Bitcoiners that set the narrative of what Ethereum was. Ethereum as a community was a complete push-over. Its accepting and inclusive nature prevented it from putting up hard walls around what was acceptable and what wasn’t.

This has certainly changed.

Exhibit A.

Twitter avatar for @haydenzadams
hayden.eth 🦄 @haydenzadams
No issue w/ L1s that prioritize immediate scaling over decentralization, many users want this But this is a real bad take Incredibly insulting to everyone working on ETH 2.0 and L2s Especially from someone who has gained extraordinary wealth off the backs of Ethereum builders
Twitter avatar for @zhusu
Zhu Su 🔺 @zhusu
Yes I have abandoned Ethereum despite supporting it in the past. Yes Ethereum has abandoned its users despite supporting them in the past. The idea of sitting around jerking off watching the burn and concocting purity tests, while zero newcomers can afford the chain, is gross.
3:02 AM ∙ Nov 21, 2021
2,077Likes280Retweets

Exhibit B.

Twitter avatar for @sassal0x
sassal.eth 🦇🔊🐼 @sassal0x
Ethereans were born in the FUD - molded by it - we survived a brutal bear market & came out stronger than ever. We're not going to sit back and let bullshit be spread about Ethereum - we're going to fight back with everything we've got. You come at the king, you best not miss.
12:30 AM ∙ Nov 22, 2021
862Likes63Retweets

Exhibit C.

Twitter avatar for @iamDCinvestor
DCinvΞstor @iamDCinvestor
project teams: i strongly recommend you STOP giving allocations on your cap table to funds who don't give a flying fucking about the ecosystem your are building in or the goals you are trying to achieve money is plentiful in this space you ALWAYS have options
4:45 PM ∙ Nov 21, 2021
429Likes30Retweets

Exhibit D.

Twitter avatar for @econoar
eric.eth @econoar
I love how fired up CT gets when the Ethereum community actually decides to defend itself. Every day EKs just shit misinformation on Ethereum. Sometimes you have to defend. Sell your ETH to us at $4400, then go fuck off.
4:22 AM ∙ Nov 21, 2021
960Likes79Retweets

The Critique Chain

Something that’s fascinating to me is watching the Ethereum community critique the majority of ‘ETH Killers’ in the same way that Bitcoiners critique Ethereum.

  • A centralized blockchain that only a few people can run nodes on

  • Early insiders who got an outsized allocation of funds

  • Building an ecosystem on empty promises

So it makes sense when people from the Avalanche or Solana community look towards the Ethereum community and see the same things that Ethereans see in Bitcoin.

The incumbent chain wants to spin this narrative of every other chain as a centralized VC chain. The disruptor chains want to spin the narrative of lazy, ‘lost the plot’ elitists who no longer care about the values they originally purported.

These critiques just get passed down the chain. Any chain that’s bigger than yours is lazy incumbents. Any chain that’s smaller than yours is a centralized VC chain.

So What’s True?

At some point in this critique chain, someone is right. At some point, the critiques become true. It’s simply a matter of finding where on the spectrum these critiques become true.

This is where my personal beliefs about what is true come into play.

Bitcoiner maximalists are wrong about Ethereum. The Ethereum pre-mine was actually a genesis distribution event, in which Ethereum minted 72m ETH, and sold 60m of it to roughly 9,000 people, and raised $14m for development. Roughly half of that 12m was split between early-contributor rewards and the EF for long-term development funding.

Part of the story of the Ethereum presale was its permissionless nature:

Now anyone could be an investor in one of the most cutting-edge technology companies out there. All they needed was an internet connection and at least 0.01 bitcoin.

- Mihai Alisie

Additionally, the Ethereum blockchain from its very first block was a constrained blockchain, meaning that its transaction capacity was even lower than what it has today because the ethos of the Ethereum blockchain was maximum decentralization from block #1.

Compared to the ‘ETH Killers’

Token Distribution

We simply do not see these same choices being made by the ‘ETH Killers’ that were a part of the conversation this weekend.

Solana and Avalanche are the most egregious examples of private early rounds of token distribution. Where the Ethereum sale was free and open to the public, without KYC, both Solana and Avalanche have had private rounds where VC funds are able to gain a significant amount of the supply.

Here’s Kyle Davies tweeting about how his AVAX tokens are locked up:

Twitter avatar for @kyled116
Kyle Davies @kyled116
Lmfao I’m locked up in $AVAX for years. If I want to take a dump, I’ll take it later thx.
5:51 AM ∙ Nov 20, 2021
905Likes39Retweets

Lockups are good, they prevent VCs from dumping too soon. But also, what’s better than VC lockups? Not having insider VCs at all. VCs could have bought into the Ethereum pre-sale, but they would have received the same rates and privileges as any other user, and not given any preferential treatment.

Chain Decentralization

Where Ethereum started off with a commitment to decentralization—namely, the ability for non-validating users to run nodes—Solana and Avalanche have not made these same commitments. And this is the crux of the issue,

3AC claimed that they are investing in ‘legitimate experimentation’ as it comes to blockchain scalability, but the others cried BS. Hasu framed it here:

Twitter avatar for @hasufl
Hasu @hasufl
@AntonioMJuliano Truth be told, other than choosing different points on the decentralization/cost spectrum, what 10x useful improvements have other L1s made in the last 4yrs?
10:48 PM ∙ Nov 21, 2021
611Likes40Retweets

The claim here is that systems like Avalanche or Solana have merely chosen a different part of the decentralization, which is not innovation and is instead simply an excuse to maximize profits by entering the very hot game of the L1 wars.

Here’s Polyna’s takedown of Solana in response to the Solana CEO’s claim that Solana is ‘objectively decentralized’.

Twitter avatar for @epolynya
polynya @epolynya
@aliatiia_ @aeyakovenko @dankrad Ah, yes, objective decentralization like giving half the token supply to insiders, create DPoS consensus so they can rule over it, and make it so expensive that it's not a trustless network with only validators and few users running nodes to defend against validator attacks.
5:36 PM ∙ Nov 13, 2021
117Likes9Retweets

According to Ethereans, it’s really important to have a culture that prioritizes decentralization. If you don’t, then decentralization is always something that you can ‘tackle later’, and you’re free to keep on kicking the can down the road. The alternative chains have simply not shown any meaningful commitment to decentralization, both in their strategy for distributing tokens and for decentralization block production.

Has Ethereum abandoned its users?

One of Su’s spiciest comments was that Ethereum has abandoned its users. Its fees are too high to support the common user and the Ethereum is too busy celebrating its new fee burn to care about how regular people can’t afford the chain.

These comments really ticked off the Ethereum community, especially the builders.

Here’s Banteg from Yearn:

Twitter avatar for @bantg
banteg @bantg
instead of 2x-ing block size to reduce fees ethtards chose instead to work on bls, zkevm, eip1559, STARKs, 250k-validator pos, interactive proofs, erigon, snap sync, zk-transpilers, permissionless staking, commitment schemes, statelessness, public goods funding... ugh, fkn idiots
3:58 AM ∙ Nov 21, 2021
2,619Likes479Retweets

Lightclients, an Ethereum core dev:

Twitter avatar for @lightclients
ً @lightclients
Zhu, you are very disconnected from what is actually happening at the protocol. There is no “Founders Dilemma” - only really smart people working on hard problems while trying to safely upgrade a $500 billion chain.
Twitter avatar for @zhusu
Zhu Su 🔺 @zhusu
Yes I have abandoned Ethereum despite supporting it in the past. Yes Ethereum has abandoned its users despite supporting them in the past. The idea of sitting around jerking off watching the burn and concocting purity tests, while zero newcomers can afford the chain, is gross.
1:47 AM ∙ Nov 21, 2021
814Likes64Retweets

Eric Conner:

Twitter avatar for @econoar
eric.eth @econoar
Imagine thinking the Ethereum community isn’t working on scaling.
Image
6:08 AM ∙ Nov 22, 2021
1,526Likes199Retweets

Polynya:

Twitter avatar for @epolynya
polynya @epolynya
Swap: - Avalance C-chain $8.40 - Loopring $1.02 - ZigZag on zkSync $0.94 - Arbitrum One $5.20 - OE $4.85 Transfer: - Avalance C-chain $1.18 - Polygon Hermez $0.25 - Loopring $0.54 - zkSync $0.65 Remember, these are early unoptimized rollups. Source: l2fees.info
Twitter avatar for @kevinsekniqi
./kevinsekniqi 🔺 good vibes only @kevinsekniqi
1/ So this stops right in its tracks, here are the *actual* real prices of swaps + transfers between Avalanche and Ethereum at the gas fees at this very moment. Swap: - AVAX $8.40 - ETH $101.60 Transfer: - AVAX $1.18 - ETH $14.12 Other numbers are wallet UI issues. https://t.co/oCZroKyOPO
7:51 PM ∙ Nov 22, 2021
279Likes51Retweets

Conclusion

I think this weekend is a pivoting moment for the industry. In my opinion, the gloves are off. The pleasantries cast aside. The Ethereum community generally sits down and takes the FUD punches thrown by almost everyone else in the industry, but it seems like the community as a whole has had enough, and as it turns out, the nice fuzzy Unicorn-branded community also has the teeth and claws needed to fight back.

All this drama made so much noise that it even got Edward Snowden to comment:

Twitter avatar for @Snowden
Edward Snowden @Snowden
There is a strain of wealthy VC-guy who pretends to do you a favor by "warning" against Bitcoin (or whatever) while hyping centralized garbage-coins that they coincidentally happen to own an enormous stake in. If you ever make it, don't be that guy. If you are that guy, change.
8:08 PM ∙ Nov 21, 2021
26,460Likes3,904Retweets

While the dynamics of Ethereum maximalisms, versus ETH killers will continue to play out, I do hope that we as an industry can stop worshipping traders who use their influence to push the markets in a direction so that they can counter-trade them.

In an industry that promises to redefine money, it makes sense that there’s a lot of money-worshippers out there. I hope we all, myself included, can come out of the trance that money puts us all under, and remember the principles and values that this industry puts on the table for the whole entire world.

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